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Exactly. These are all speculation videos made from articles that parse what the actors say. They should never be taken directly.

Do you really think they saving the show by changing the story? The numbers are dropping. It is not saving the story. The only thing people agree on is if Jack Thornton comes back. People are complaining the story writing is awful.

@chelseakong948 I really don’t think that Nathan’s fans believe Lucas to be a bad person. They know that he is actually a good person now. But they also know that he had a somewhat shady past that he never really talked about; that he had lived a certain way that was unlike how he lived now. The show brought him to town as that type of character with a past. Even his mother questioned him about the change in him. When he came to town, he was mysteriously hiding a load of money under some fish on ice that he kept secret as to how he came into it. Once before, someone from his past held him and Elizabeth at gunpoint and Nathan intervened. We already knew when he came to town that he had made money as a gambler (and maybe other things)in his past. That is how WCTH initially wrote his character. So Nathan’s fans were not surprised by the things revealed about Lucas in this season. As he was trying to start a new life, he did not tell Elizabeth a lot of what he had done in his past. But being as how it is a show, we viewers knew more than she did. We can recognize a good person but know that they had a questionable past. And that sometimes that past catches up with you and you work through it. Unlike you, I don’t find the N and E scenes boring at all and desire to see more of them. Just because I like them as a couple doesn’t mean I have to dislike Lucas. I think that when they finally have him fall in love with the one who can move his heart like Nathan does for Elizabeth, that it is going to be epic. It is going to be one that both Nathan and Lucas fans will be enjoying together because I have no doubt it will be a loving and passionate romance. When that happens, I think (maybe), the Lucas fan will wonder why in the world they wanted him with Elizabeth when he could have had something so much greater.

@@patriciak5702 I partially okay with what you are saying but Lucas fans do not believe they belong together except that E changed character then they are no longer concerned about her being with N. The old Elizabeth they loved, but current one they do not. She is a rewrite. They call it a retcon since they totally changed the story. They do want someone for Lucas who they believe is better than Elizabeth. I also do not like this new version of Elizabeth. She is not mature and honest. She became cold and did not apologize. She is trying to avoid telling people her feelings. Lucas fans do not like her now. There are arguments that they made Lucas have a shady past. They will argue on this. Showrunner and etc wanted him to be shady so they wrote it that way in s11. Jeanette did not intend for his type of character to be that way. Hallmark and show runner want to make things this way to get people to watch, but not everyone is happy about the writing and will say so. Jeanette's character was expected to be better than what they made her. People are forgetting that Nathan went against his authorities which led to Jack's death. Elizabeth also has issues. She does not want to associate herself to her life in the city. They really have too many clips and scenes about this be romance. Fans want to see the rest of Hope Valley my just them. Nathan really is boring and compared to Jack he is less perfect. I didn't like what I saw in S10. It was very toxic. He really acts immature and other things.

@@chelseakong948 See, that is what the Nathan fans saw in S8 (a rewrite)but a reverse of Lucas’s character. He came on the show with clues that he had a shady past. I suspected they were going to make a monumental change and have her choose Lucas about midway through S8 precisely because I could see a shift in Lucas’s character traits. Suddenly, in S8, they made a sharp turn from man with a questionable past that we really did not know much about, towards him loving Hope Valley and being the wealthy champion of the town and having a much softer side in connecting with the people. His own mother was surprised at this desire to be content in this small town. Before, he had insinuated that the only reason he was interested in being there was Elizabeth. They had to rewrite his sentiments and character to make their decision to put E with him plausible. They also changed E. She came as this wealthy background teacher who adapted to the frontier and grew to love it. When she got with Lucas, they made her appear to care a lot about becoming this writer who would become well known and traveling to give talks, etc. Lucas was the one who made that possible. She became more formal acting like the wealthy society she left behind to come to HV. She did not seem like the same person. But gradually, she has found her way back. I don’t know what it is like to be widowed at a young age and lose a great love like E. So I give her some grace about the confusion and not being herself. In S8, she treated N and Rosemary horribly but managed to salvaged that friendship. But Lucas did have a past that has made him who he is. That past has given him strengths that have helped him tremendously as Governor and has worked to make him a better man and gives the writers some great stories as we get to really know Lucas, the man.

@@patriciak5702 I don't see the aspect of Elizabeth's adapting to Lucas as being an issue. I do know Lucas fans don't fully agree with these points of view. Janette Oke did not want another mountie for Elizabeth. Fans do not agree about her coming back to herself, but that it has become a retcon story. Seeing Elizabeth as more immature character and selfish is not appreciated by those who used to love her. I am not just talking about Lucas fans, but those who loved Elizabeth do not like her now. If you spoke to another Lucas fan, she will argue that Lucas is not shady at all and that they made him become shady in s12, but he explained why he didn't give all the details about himself. I think the problem now with this series is the different perspectives of how people see things. When it was Jack Thornton, there was no issues. Now, that they divided it among two men. There is no peace even if Lucas gets a better woman they will continue to criticize the series. It is not just the issue of Elizabeth, but also other characters that are not acting proper. There has been a complaint that there are too many characters and most have lost a purpose of being on the show or don't have one. s10-11 arguably are not improving the series. There is a large drop in ratings despite what they are saying. Many more fans are leaving the series because they don't like what they see.

@@chelseakong948 I think I would prefer to see fewer characters in each episode in order to tell each story better. I like all the characters but sometimes I don’t feel we get past superficialities because there isn’t enough time. Maybe they will make some changes. For instance, like the way they had the “Who shot Lucas?” throughout the season. When I speak of E coming back to who she is, I am speaking of a person who gave up the high society lifestyle for the frontier and loves the small town life and loves teaching in a small town. That is who E had become. Also, I never saw Lucas as shady in this season. He is a good man. But he did have a questionable past when he came to HV. A past he wanted to get away from and start fresh. There were quite a few things that you wondered about through the seasons after he came that the show never delved into but the clues were there. I have always thought that delving into that past would make for interesting episodes but not to show him as a villain or a shady character. It would help understand the man he is and how he got there. It is already accepted that Lucas is a good man. His past is what it is and I believe viewers as well as the town knows he is a good man despite his past. It is just that sometimes our past tends to affect our today and we have to deal with it and then we grow. I think Lucas did that.

That's because you're a tasteless hack that thinks luke-the-puke is a good character, he's not.

Team trash.

I wish but at this point I don’t thing so.

They would have to change the show runner and writers. Bird is also responsible for encouraging this move without thinking how the rest of the fans would feel and it doesn't make any sense when they decided to go this route. They wanted to make more stories, but they don't know how to please everyone.

​@chelseakong948 that's because you dopey luke-the-puke fans don't understand how ratings work. Get over it.

I agree with you. I don't agree with anyone who doesn't.

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Yeah I know Lucas and Elizabeth had a romance brewing between them, I don't recall seeing a romance brewing between Nathan and Elizabeth when did that happen? Why did she choose Lucas over Nathan? When Lucas set her free to decide who she truly loves? Why didn't she choose Nathan then instead of going after Lucas the way that she did and crying liked she did over loosing Jack Thornton all over again? Again why didn't she choose Nathan? Others said out of fear ok again why she had her chance to choose Nathan and Lucas also gave her that chance but she didn't choose Nathan because he reminded him too much of her late husband Jack and I still feel that she still do she can tell Nathan that all she wants but I still feel whenever she looks at Nathan she still sees Jack Thornton

​​@@SharonBrodie-ko3iwYou list some VERY GOOD questions & IMO, there's not any good answers because the breakup was an after thought by Brian Bird & Lindsey Sterman. In a podcast, they said, up to the beginning of Season 10 they were planning on the wedding for Elizabeth & Lucas, but decided to change everything because their getting married would end their story. Another ridiculous statement. Season 10 was so disconnected & didn't make sense with most of Elizabeth's dialogue. The stupidity of it all is that they wasted money writing & filming a beautiful, loving relationship between Elizabeth & Lucas for nothing other than to hurt & disappoint TL fans & make TN fans happy. In the meantime, making Elizabeth look selfish, hateful, uncaring, childlike, immoral by lusting for Nathan while still engaged & kissing on Lucas, Plus she lied to her students about not getting married. And Little Jack is all of a sudden wanting to be with Allie & Nathan after Allie babysat one night & doesn't miss his buddy?!?! It's becoming another POORLY written Soap Opera. I feel like I shouldn't be watching this show anymore as they felt nothing about treating us like idiots. Erin said they wrote Season 10 with respect to the TL fans....I'd really like to know what they found respectful in this season. However, Chris McNally is one heck of a superb actor. His switch in character was FANTASTIC. But in fairness, all the actors are great, I'm just currently having disappointment & dislike for the personalities of Elizabeth & Nathan. And I, too, still think Elizabeth is trying to replace Jack with Nathan.

@@sharonnorton2708 Yeah and remember Lucas mother asked Elizabeth the exact same question especially when she kept on looking at Nathan seeing him reminded her of Jack Thornton? For the record if I was Elizabeth I would choose the man that I had fallen in love with not because I see my late husband in him the way Elizabeth is doing with Nathan she can say that to Nathan all she wants too but I still don't believe that she loves Nathan the man? Especially when he respected back to her about her seeing Jack Thornton in him or as his replacement, she told him a bold face lie when she said that she doesn't see him in that way? I don't believe her at all

​@@SharonBrodie-ko3iwYep, totally agree with you!

@@sharonnorton2708 And I hope that Elizabeth and Nathan don't kiss that'll be so gross to see. I sure hope that Lucas comes to Elizabeth recuse

The film makers were woke as fk. I found it offensive how woke they were.

Ya I got attacked by some idiot ass feminists on tic Tok cause I made a comment of some girl that had the user name I chose the bear. Lol